Comments for Names and titles http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names Who's that Gong ? Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:41:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 Comment on testing by fcharton http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/27/testing/#comment-5 fcharton Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:16:56 +0000 http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/27/testing/#comment-5 and I would shoot you down with a comment like this and I would shoot you down with a comment like this

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]]> Comment on Nobility titles in the Chunqiu - the elusive 公 by baopu http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/24/hello-world/#comment-3 baopu Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:16:10 +0000 http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/24/hello-world/#comment-3 I left a comment. Now its gone! I left a comment. Now its gone!

]]> Comment on Nobility titles in the Chunqiu - the elusive 公 by Bao Pu http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/24/hello-world/#comment-2 Bao Pu Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:33:56 +0000 http://grandhistorian.com/wordpressmu/names/2008/03/24/hello-world/#comment-2 Hi Francois, Just to add some more information, Lothar Falkenhausen, in his article "The Concept of Wen in the Ancient Chinese Ancestral Cult" in <i>Chinese Literature: Essays, Articles, Reviews</i> (CLEAR), Vol. 18. (Dec., 1996) says of Gong: "The meaning of gong in ancestral ritual is quite multifarious-in early contexts, it may mean "lineage head" or simply "ancestor." Also, "The common translation of gong as "Duke" reflects the systematized set of aristocratic ranks recorded in late pre-Qin texts; inscriptions from earlier parts of the Zhou dynasty, however, fail to reveal any indication that such a system existed in those times (see Si 1947, Wang 1983, and Sheng 1983). Gong is still used in funerary inscriptions in modem times meaning, generally, "ancestor." Hi Francois,

Just to add some more information, Lothar Falkenhausen, in his article “The Concept of Wen in the Ancient Chinese Ancestral Cult” in Chinese Literature: Essays, Articles, Reviews (CLEAR), Vol. 18. (Dec., 1996) says of Gong:

“The meaning of gong in ancestral ritual is quite multifarious-in early contexts, it may mean “lineage head” or simply “ancestor.”

Also, “The common translation of gong as “Duke” reflects the systematized set of aristocratic ranks recorded in late pre-Qin texts; inscriptions from earlier parts of the Zhou dynasty, however, fail to reveal
any indication that such a system existed in those times (see Si 1947, Wang 1983, and Sheng 1983). Gong is still used in funerary inscriptions in modem times meaning, generally, “ancestor.”

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